Dodson/Brooks Debate on Scriptural Silence
Randy Dodson's Third Rebuttal
The silence of the scriptures constitutes liberty for the New
Testament church in its work, worship and service.
Affirm: Ray Brooks
Deny: Randy Dodson
I am before you now for my third negative article, and the last
article of this debate. Friends, I must say honestly that Mr.
Brooks and I obviously have a very different concept of what a
debate actually is. My idea of a debate is where each disputant
takes up the arguments of his opponent and makes every effort to
show that they do not follow. Every time this man introduced a
passage of scripture, I discussed it in detail. In every
instance I did one of two things: I either demonstrated that the
passage in question had nothing at all to do with the
proposition, or it taught my position. Unfortunately in six
articles, I could not induce Mr. Brooks to do likewise. By the
admissions contained in his third affirmative, my arguments pass
unanswered.
Mr. Brooks has consistently busied himself with superciliously
ascertaining his opponent's obligations in this debate, while at
the same time ignoring his own. Frankly, I find his efforts
disappointing, particularly in light of his comments in the third
affirmative. I would presume Brooks has made the best defense of
his position he possibly could. His failure therefore, is not to
be attributed to personal weakness, but to his position. It is
not Mr. Brooks' fault that he can do no better. If a better
effort were possible, he would have provided it. The problem is
that his doctrine simply cannot stand the test of truth.
Now in this final article of the debate, I will do three things.
1. Discuss the passages introduced in this debate dealing with
silence of the scriptures.
2. Refute Brooks' third affirmative item by item.
3. Provide a summary list of "Brooks' Blunders".
Only one debater in this discussion has introduced any passages
at all which (by Brooks' own admission) remotely deal with the
issue at hand, and those passages were introduced by this
disputant. I state this as fact, nothing else. Let us review
those passages here.
Deuteronomy 4:2. "2 Ye shall not add unto the word which
Command you, neither shall ye diminish from it,"
Proverbs 30:6. "6 Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove
thee, and thou be found a liar."
I Corinthians 4:6. "…learn not (to go) beyond the things which
are written…"
Revelation 22:18-19. "18 I testify unto every man that heareth
the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto
them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in
this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of
the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the
tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this
book."
These passages demonstrate that what the Bible does say restricts
our actions. New Testament Christians are not at liberty to step
outside what the Bible says. Brooks responded weakly by stating
the first two passages were from the Old Testament, thus having
no application today. He did not respond to I Corinthians 4:6,
and argued (again weakly) that I took Revelation 22 out of
context. The point that he missed and never responded to was
that the inspired writers here delineate an eternal principle of
scripture. Brooks never replied to that aspect of my argument at
all. If the principles within these passages are eternally true
(and they are), his position goes down into the dust. The
instruction to stay within divine revelation is actually a
fundamental precept of law, applicable to any and all covenants
(religious or civil).
Jeremiah 7:31. "31 And they have built the high places of
Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn
their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded
not, neither came it into my mind."
Leviticus 10:1. "10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron,
took each of them his censer, and put fire therein, and laid
incense thereon, and offered strange fire before Jehovah, which
he had not commanded them."
Zechariah 7. Unauthorized feast days.
Hebrews 7:14. "14 For it is evident that our Lord hath sprung
out of Judah; as to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning
priests."
Brooks discussed none of these passages individually. His lone
rejoinder was to errantly assert that they were all from the Old
Testament, thus having no application to us today. I asked him
at that point if the Old Testament contained any lessons for us
at all (Romans 15:4; Galatians 3:24-25); no response. I pointed
out again that these passages contain lessons intended to be
eternally true. What did Brooks' say about that? Nothing. The
fact that silence binds is a fundamental precept of law, always
has been, always will be. If the principles within these
passages are eternally true (and they are), Brooks' position
fails. Brooks made the only reply he possibly could: "The New
Covenant contains no law." I will discuss this in more detail in
"Brooks' Blunders".
Genesis 2:17 – Silence restricts Adam and Eve concerning the tree
in the midst of the garden.
Genesis 4:14-16 – Silence restricts Noah in the construction of
the ark.
I Samuel 15 – Silence restricts Saul in dealing with the
Amalekites.
I Kings 5:1-15 – Silence restricts Naaman concerning the
prophet’s instructions in cleansing his leprosy.
Acts 10 – Silence restricts Peter in preaching to Cornelius.
All of these passages demonstrate an eternally true fundamental
precept of law -- silence binds. Brooks closed his six articles
without referring a single time to this argument.
There they are, friends – the only passages introduced in this
debate dealing even remotely with the topic at hand. We leave it
to the unbiased reader to determine which position is based in
Scripture, and which is not. Bear in mind that Brooks admits in
his third affirmative that his position has no Scriptural
foundation.
Now let us look in detail at Mr. Brooks' third affirmative.
As he begins his article, it appears to me that Brooks almost
presumes to speak for me in his "General Disclaimer". I assure
you he does not. He avows that silence constitutes "alack of
information". He is mistaken. Silence in the Scriptures
constitutes a lack of authority. Brooks has contradicted himself
here. He admitted that pizza and Coke on the Lord's Table would
be in error. Thus by his own admission, silence does not
constitute a lack of information at all. He admits that silence
restricts here. See "Brooks' Blunders"…
He then claims that "Silence can neither grant liberty nor
restrict behavior." Well friends, it does one or the other.
However, he repeatedly refused to answer my questions in that
regard. Brooks affirms that silence grants liberty. Therefore,
silence does not restrict rosary beads in worship, pig-racing,
blowing up buildings, and the like. Brooks is unprepared for the
logical extension of his position. See "Brooks’ Blunders"…
Brooks then twists my position in the following statement: "Randy
used the term "qualified silence" to defend his position. He
started with what God actually says, then (sic) proceeded to
explain what happens when you do something God doesn't say." That
is not the point at all, friends. The question is does the Bible
instruct us concerning its own silence. As noted previously it
does indeed. The sacred pages tell us how to behave when they
are silent. This point supports my position without response
from Brooks.
Brooks contends that he "proved that when we have no information
(silence), we must turn to other forms of authority and biblical
principles to determine what we may do." Now how in the world
did he prove anything when by his own admission he did not use a
single passage of scripture which referred to the topic at all?
The proposition he signed to affirm reads "The Scriptures
teach…" We leave it to the unbiased reader to ascertain what
Brooks has proved here (nothing).
He moves now to rediscuss his definitions. In like manner I
restate my objections here. Brooks defines "Silence of the
scriptures" as referring to lack of instruction. It means
nothing of the kind, and I have pointed out his error in this
regard repeatedly. Silence does not indicate lack of
instruction, and he admitted as much concerning the Lord's
Supper. Silence indicates a lack of authority, thus restricting
actions.
I have continually pointed out that Brooks is entirely unprepared
to fully apply his definition of the phrase "constitutes
liberty". Brooks stresses here that "we can do what seems best
to us in our culture to accomplish the purpose of the church's
task." Yet he disavows pig-racing, rosary beads, and blowing up
buildings in worship. Why, Ray? By what objective means do you
exclude these activities, and include a mechanical instrument?
See” Brooks' Blunders"…
Both Brooks and I have pointed out that we disagree on the
definition of the New Testament church. The fact is that his
definition defines a local congregation, not the New Testament
church. The church of the New Testament is the blood-bought un-
denominational institution of which I am a member. It is the
church established on Pentecost as recorded by the inspired and
beloved physician, Luke in Acts 2, the church which belongs to
our Lord, the church of Christ.
I would remind the reader that Brooks' definitions contain a
significant omission. Not one time did Ray Brooks ever attempt
to define the words "worship", or "law". Having defined those
terms in my second negative, he passes on them entirely, and
inherently acquiesces to mine. I pointed out that Ray's case
cannot be sustained absent an in depth definition of those two
words. See "Brooks' Blunders"…
At this juncture, Ray reviews the seven points of his first
affirmative. I will come back to that later in this article. At
the end of his third negative, Ray rebukes me for pointing out
repeatedly that none of his passages support his position. Now
he has contradicted himself again. Ray already admitted that he
has introduced no passage of scripture dealing with the topic.
Why chide me for pointing that out when you already admitted as
much, Ray? See "Brooks' Blunders"…
Note further that Ray makes it appear here as if my repeated
insistence that his passages had no relevance to the topic was
the only argument I presented. What if it was? He admits in the
third affirmative that none of his passages apply to the topic,
so I must be on the right track. However, Brooks knows better.
In fact he has contradicted himself again. He admits that he
answered none of my arguments in the second negative, while
implying that this is the only argument I made. See "Brooks'
Blunders"…
Brooks reproves me at this point for the length of my second
negative (13 pages). Of course it was perfectly all right for
him to submit 10 pages in his second affirmative. Really, Ray…
Perchance should you remove the beam in your own eye before
attempting to remove the speck from mine? (Matthew 7:3-5).
Perhaps Ray will act with greater wisdom in the future to make
these discussions more productive. Actually the only way to make
this discussion more productive was for Ray to answer my
arguments, which he steadfastly refused to do.
Brooks ends his third affirmative with this statement "You read
it for yourself, folks. Randy states that there is no connection
between my passages and the topic. But he refuses to prove it." A
couple of things bear mentioning here. First, I have debated
academically in the past. That does not make me an expert,
neither am I a total novice. One of the fundamental precepts of
disputation is that the status quo (the negative position) is
inherently sustained until the affirmant demonstrates otherwise.
Thus, in defending the negative position I have no burden of
proof here. Brooks once again advises me concerning my
obligations while failing to discharge his own. Acting in the
affirmative, if Brooks introduces a passage in support of his
position, it is his responsibility to demonstrate that it teaches
his doctrine (and he admits that they do not). Second, Brooks
makes it sound here (unbelievably) that this is the only argument
I presented on each of his passages. I was frankly astonished
that he leaves the reader with that impression. One of two
things is true here. Either he did not read my second negative
carefully, or he seeks to create prejudice on the part of the
reader. Ray knows better.
Despite all this, I demonstrated time and time again that the
passages he introduced have no bearing on the topic at all (more
on that below). Moreover, Brooks admitted all this in his third
affirmative. "My use of passages referring to Christian liberty
do not address silence…" See "Brooks' Blunders"…
Now let us review the seven points of his affirmation.
1. Everything is permissible, but we choose those activities,
based on culture and the Word, that edify the body. (I
Corinthians 6:11-14; I Corinthians 10:22-24).
I Corinthians 6:11-14. I made the point here that Brooks has
applied these passages far outside the boundaries intended by
Paul. Paul is discussing solving personal or private problems in
courts of law. I pointed out further that Brooks meets the "Law
of Christ" all throughout I Corinthians 6. Response from
Brooks? None. Remember friends Brooks is not prepared for the
logical end of his argument. If a certain culture endorses pig-
racing in worship, how can Brooks objectively exclude it? Brooks' response? None.
I Corinthians 10:22-24. Ray agrees with me in saying that these
passages discuss matters which are indifferent to God. However,
they also teach that we cannot as Christians do something to
cause another to violate their conscience. I asked Ray whether
or not that was a law. Brooks' response? None. In fact, Brooks'
view is that Paul placed no bounds at all on matters of
expediency. So it is his view that worship on Sunday is
optional, Tuesday or Thursday would be just as good. Using a
mechanical instrument of music is ok, even though it causes
division (a violation of the conscience). An alien sinner does
not have to repent, it is optional. The passage simply does not
teach his doctrine.
2. We may use whatever means necessary to minister to the lost
and preach the gospel, within a moral and cultural context. (I
Corinthians 9:19-23).
Paul introduces these passages by submitting that he is under law
to no man in verse 19. This point is key. Paul admits that he is
under law to no man. I accept this. However, never in this
passage (or anywhere else) does Paul assert that he is not under
law to God. The very fact that Paul describes his efforts at
evangelism here means that he accepts God's divine precept to
preach and teach the lost (Matthew 28:18-20). I asked Brooks if
the command to preach and teach the lost constituted law.
Brooks' response? None.
Paul will later specify that he is under law to Christ. I asked
Brooks whether or not Paul said this. Brooks' response? None.
So Paul did these things (became all things to all men) that the
unconverted Jew, Gentile and weak might partake of the Gospel.
The implication is that prior to conversion these three groups
did not partake of the Gospel. When do we partake of the Gospel?
After conversion. How are we converted? Through the Gospel. Paul
affirms that being taught of the Gospel precedes salvation.
Brooks affirms that we are saved by faith plus nothing. The
requirement to hear the word precedes belief (verb form of
faith), Ray. Romans 10:17. Brooks' response? None.
3. Lifestyle issues, outside of explicit word of God morality,
are none of our business. Liberty in lifestyle is a KEY to
understanding the New Covenant. (Romans 14:1-8).
Ray applies Romans 14 far outside the boundaries of Paul's
original delivery. This chapter of Romans discusses matters that
are indifferent TO GOD. Brooks alleges that these passages
discuss matters indifferent to men. So I asked Ray, "Could we
participate in Sunday morning worship naked?" Now Brooks
alleges, "ALL ACTIONS OR METHODS are matters of indifference."
Thus Brooks is forced to take the position that New Testament
Christians may worship God publicly while naked, and maintain his
approval. Now friends, that utter absurdity is where Brooks'
logic leads. Brooks' response? None.
We note here that Brooks dropped his ridiculous argument
distinguishing between methods and elements. Just as well. As I
have repeatedly pointed out, this is nothing more than a semantic
subterfuge. There is no point to be made here. First, methods
and elements cannot and do not exist separate and apart from one
another. Second, if silence grants liberty, one may substitute
coke and pizza on the Lord's Table. If not, why not?
Brooks'response? None.
He also dropped his argument concerning my (so-called) obligation
to provide scripture stating consequences for rebellion. This is
a very unfortunate point for him to miss. Brooks admits that pig
racing in worship is wrong, thus constituting vain worship
(Matthew 15:9; Colossians 2:23). I then asked him "Does vain
worship constitute sin…? Yes or no. Is the wages of sin death
(Romans 6:23)? Yes or no." How much more consequential could it
be, friends? Brooks' response? None.
4. Freedom in worship. (Ephesians 3:12; Galatians 5:1).
Ephesians 3:12.
"12 in whom we have boldness and access in confidence through our
faith in him." Not only does this passage have nothing to with
silence of the Scriptures, it has nothing to do at all with
freedom in worship. The passage teaches us that we can approach
him boldly. I embrace that. I have no problem with anything
this passage teaches whatsoever. However, the passage does not
say we can be boldly disobedient, or boldly step outside what the
Scriptures teach. Brooks' question remains unanswered by this
passage –"Does silence grant liberty?" The fact is that this
passage teaches my position. Our boldness in approaching the
throne is predicated on our obedience to God's precepts. Matthew
7:21. "21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of
my Father who is in heaven."
Galatians 5:1.
"1 For freedom did Christ set us free: stand fast therefore, and
be not entangled again in a yoke of bondage." Paul's message
here is "do not go back to the Old Law". The Old Covenant, absent
saving grace, did represent a yoke of bondage – no question about
it. However, that does not mean that the New Covenant is void of
law. Galatians 6:2. "2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so
fulfill the law of Christ."
Brooks only response here (in the second affirmative) was to say
that Galatians 6:2 was irrelevant. Well, Ray is entitled to his
opinion. I prefer the opinion of the inspired apostle, thank you
very much.
Jesus condemned vain worship (Matthew 15:9), so He must require
that we worship properly. Jesus required repentance (Luke 13:1-
5), making repentance a requirement of law. Jesus required love
(John 13:34), making love a requirement of law. On and on the
list goes, but Brooks says the "law of Christ" in Galatians 6:2
is irrelevant. Brooks' response here? None.
5. The books of Galatians, Romans, and Hebrews are based on
Habakkuk 2:4, which states that we live by faith (as opposed to
law). Paul goes to the point of being obnoxious to prove that
judging others or approaching God based on law receives the
highest condemnation possible by God.
I find Brooks' approach to this argument interesting. He here
points out that Paul bases his arguments on grace in these three
epistles on an application of Habakkuk 2:4. The apostle Paul
takes a precept from the old covenant (Habakkuk 2:4) and applies
it in the New Covenant. Now friends, how is it that Brooks in
the affirmative can take an argument (Galatians, Romans and
Hebrews) based on Old Testament law, and apply it to his
affirmation, but when I take an argument (Hebrews 7:14) based on
Old Testament law and apply it to my affirmation, it's all
wrong? I should add this to the list of "Brooks' Blunders", but
the list is just too long.
I embrace everything the inspired writers have to say in these
epistles. I have no problem with them whatsoever. Brooks’
problem here is that he presumes that since Paul makes a case for
grace (he does indeed), that the case for law is excluded. Yet
these same books embrace New Testament law: Galatians 6:2. "2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ."
Romans 3:27. "27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By
what manner of law? Of works? Nay: but by a law of faith."
Hebrews 8:7-10. "7 For if that first (covenant) had been
faultless, then would no place have been sought for a second. 8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come,
saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant with the house of
Israel and with the house of Judah; 9 Not according to the
covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took
them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt; For
they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith
the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my
laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them:
And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:"
6. We live by faith in relationship, not law to gain approval.
Brooks has three fundamental problems here. First, there is no
passage of scripture which teaches his doctrine.
Second, Jesus said that "belief" (verb form of” faith") itself is
a work (something we have to do; a requirement of law), so his
position here is both self-contradictory, and in clear conflict
with the scriptures. John 6:28-29. "28 They said therefore unto
him, What must we do, that we may work the works of God? 29 Jesus
answered and said unto them, This is the work of God that ye
believe on him whom he hath sent."
Third, there is a passage (actually many) that DOES teach my
position. This is the point where Ray assumed that love and law
cannot and do not coexist. Of course he is in error. John
14:15. "15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments." Review
my argument here for the interested reader to which Brooks made
absolutely no reply. A motive is a "reason or driving urge for
an action." He assumes here that one cannot obey out of love and
fear of law. Yet we do it all the time. I love my country. For
that reason I keep the speed limit. I also fear the fine that
goes with speeding. Thus both motivate me. The two co-exist. I
love God. For that reason, I keep His commandments (John 14:15).
I also fear God. For that reason, I keep his commandments. Thus
both motivate me, and the two co-exist.
7. Our approval from God is based on being in Christ by faith.
Brooks has two basic problems here. First, there is no passage
of scripture which teaches his doctrine. Second, Ray never
really expounds on what all this means according to his
doctrine. I asked him how an alien sinner gets "in Christ" (his
words). No response. I asked him where faith comes from. No
response. I asked him if Colossians 3:17 explains how we obtain
and maintain God’s approval and approbation. No response.
Brooks refuses to support his position by argumentation. My
position is sustained due to his lack of response.
In closing this section of my article I do want to mention that
Brooks has completely dropped his argumentation concerning John 4
and the definition our Lord provides of Christian worship. I
discussed these passages in detail, demonstrating the error of
Brooks' position. That passage was central to his case, and my
refutation thereof stands unanswered. Those arguments flow
negative.
Now friends, that covers his third affirmative article item by item without a single omission.
Now let us note specifically the difficulties Ray has had in
sustaining his position. I have noted several of them throughout
this article. There are several more. I list them below and
entitle them "Brooks' Blunders".
Brooks' Blunders
*Ray failed to answer my questions concerning pig-racing blowing
up buildings, blood-letting, pet days and the like in worship.
These questions present him with a dilemma. If he answers "yes"
to a single question, he admits that the Bible legislates in its
silence where worship is concerned, which of course it does, but
which he does not believe. If he answers "no", he endorses the
outrageous behavior herein described.
*Brooks tells us that "...the scriptures do tell us to use juice
and bread" on the Lord's Table. I'm still waiting on book,
chapter and verse for that one. Of course they do not. We use
those emblems by the example of our Lord. The debate closes
without a scriptural reply from Brooks.
*Concerning the elements of the Lord's Table, since there is no
direct command for them, by Brooks' own logic, he faces another
dilemma. Either Romans 14 applies, and Brooks cannot objectively
exclude Coke and pizza on the Lord's Table, or the Scriptures
bind in their silence (which he does not believe).
*Brooks asserted that because the Old Covenant has passed away
that Christians are no longer under law of any kind. I pointed
out that just because the laws of God are in the heart does not
mean we are without law (Psalm 119:11). Brooks presented himself
with another dilemma here. Paul affirmed that where there is no
law, there is no sin (Romans 4:15). Therefore, Brooks' must
affirm one of two positions. Either Christians do indeed operate
under law, or they are without law and incapable of sin.
*Brooks repeatedly claimed that the New Covenant contains no
law. Yet he refuses to answer my question concerning the Lord’s
Supper, providing him with yet another dilemma. Do the
Scriptures teach that only unleavened bread and fruit of the vine
may be used? If so, friends, that is law, the existence of which
Brooks denies under the New Covenant. If not, how are pizza and
Coca Cola excluded? On what objective basis does Brooks use one
and exclude the other?
*Brooks claims that "Silence can neither grant liberty nor
restrict behavior." Friends, it does one or the other. Brooks
believes this as well, or he would not have signed to debate. So
either silence allows rosary beads, pig-racing, blowing up
buildings, and the like in worship, or silence restricts. Brooks
is unprepared for the logical extension of his position.
*Concerning cultural applications to the church's work, worship
and service Brooks stresses that "we can do what seems best to us
in our culture to accomplish the purpose of the church's task.”
Yet he disavows pig-racing, rosary beads, and blowing up
buildings in worship. Why? By what objective means does Brooks
exclude these activities, and include a mechanical instrument?
*Not one time did Ray Brooks ever attempt to define the words
"worship", or "law". Ray's case cannot be sustained absent in
depth definitions of those two words.
*At the end of his third negative, Ray rebukes me for pointing
out repeatedly that none of his passages support his position.
Ray contradicts himself in this effort. Ray already admitted
that he has introduced no passage of scripture dealing with the
topic. Why chide me for pointing that out when you already
admitted as much, Ray?
*Ray implied that my repeated insistence that his passages had no
relevance to the topic was the only argument I presented. Brooks
contradicts himself again in this regard. He admits that he
answered none of my arguments in the second negative, while
implying that this is the only one I made.
*Concerning Galatians, Romans, Hebrews and Habakkuk 2:4... How
is it that Brooks in the affirmative can take an argument
(Galatians, Romans and Hebrews) based on the Old Testament, and
apply it to his affirmation, but when I take an argument (Hebrews
7:14) based on Old Testament law and apply it to my affirmation,
it's all wrong?
I have enjoyed this debate, and the mental and spiritual exercise
involved in developing the argumentation for my position.
My thanks to all for your kind attention.
Randy Dodson