Steve Bobbitt's Second Rebuttal
Proposition:
"The Scriptures teach that all of or most of the public preaching and teaching of a congregation is
not to be done by a single man. It is the responsibility of all male members to publicly instruct the
congregation."
"The Scriptures teach that all or most of the public preaching and teaching of a congregation is not
to be done by a single man. It is the responsibility of all male members to publicly instruct the
congregation."
I continue to examine Jeremy Morris's two-lane proposition. In Lane One you insist one man or
even several men MUST NOT provide all or most of a church’s public instruction. In Lane Two
you tell us all men in a local church MUST be public instructors [note, you affirm not many or
most, but all male members].
As yet, you have not produced a command which forbids one man or even several men to provide
all or most of congregational teaching. As I said earlier, ‘If such a command is in the NT, surely
you would have presented it, but you did not. Either such does not exist, and you know that, or it
does exist and you are holding it for a later article’ Still our readers want to know which it is.
Please tell us. No, Jeremy, questions on woman’s role in public instruction are not off-topic. You
said, ‘the proposition specifically addresses the responsibilities of the men and does not address
the responsibilities of the women’ Exactly, but you cite as proof a passage which does not
specifically address the responsibilities of the men, so by your own rule Hebrews 10:25 gives no
support for your proposition. The passage urges men and women to encourage each other so as to
stimulate one another spiritually, but here your assumption meter goes wild. Some preaching is
exhorting, so you ASSUME this exhorting is preaching, and you ASSUME it is done only by men,
and you ASSUME it is done in a church meeting, and you ASSUME it is done by all male
members, and you ASSUME it fits your rule for public instruction from 1 Corinthians 14.
Your use of ‘mutual ministry’ is misleading, as it implies a ministry shared by all members when,
in fact, what you advocate is a mutual MALE ministry. You assume ‘one another’ passages such
as Hebrews 10:25 call all men up to speak and leave all women to listen. I have asked how you
separate the genders when the passage does not, and you have yet to answer.
You made the same assumptions with Romans 15:14. Some admonition is teaching, so you
ASSUME this admonishing is teaching, and you ASSUME it is done only by men, and you
ASSUME it is done in a church meeting, and you ASSUME it is done by all male members, and
you ASSUME it fits your rule for public instruction from 1 Corinthians 14. Prove your
assumptions, brother. And you have yet to cite an apostolic command that forbids a single man
or even a few men to do all or most of a congregation’s teaching. First Corinthians 14 gives you
no help because it speaks only to prophets, but not all men then were prophets [1 Corinthians
12:29], and none is today. The basic principle of the chapter is that a church meeting is to be
conducted in an orderly manner beneficial to all [see verse 40]. You insist the principle is that all
men, inspired or not, must rotate the teaching because prophets and tongue speakers did so.
Having no such prohibiting command, you hammer 1 Corinthians 14 into an exclusive rule for all
public instruction, even though I provided five examples where early brethren did not
acknowledge this pattern. You make at least two mistakes here. First, you assume all church
meetings followed the same agenda, with or without spiritual gifts. Second, you overlook the fact
that the ‘two or three’ rule here proves it was not the rule in all church assemblies, else that would
have already been the practice of the church at Corinth.
In my first negative article I supplied not just one, but five passages which show clearly that
public teaching was some times limited to just a few speaking to the others, but you said not one
word about any of them. I repeat them here, in hope you will address these passages and how they
contradict your proposition. Acts 2:42 and Acts 4:33 show the apostles instructing the rest of the
brethren at that time. Five teachers at Antioch taught the others [Acts 13:1]. In Acts 20:7-12 only
Paul addressed the church at Troas at its first-day-of-the-week meeting. Finally, Ephesians
4:11,12 demonstrates that some were given to be teachers who would equip the others.
Ever hopeful, you turn to Acts 15:35 for an apostolic example of your mutual male ministry, but
proof has eluded you once more. The passage says not one word about every man in the Antioch
church speaking in congregational assemblies. Numerous individuals were active teachers and
preachers, but only assumption places them all in each church assemblies, teaching and preaching.
Note also the language of Acts 15:35; Luke says many individuals were preaching and teaching,
but he adds nothing to indicate they were in the same meeting, or even in the same congregation.
And there's no mention of 1 Corinthians 14 as a rule by which all congregational instruction is
governed.
Acts 15:35 is consistent with my practice because I allow several, many, most, or even all men to
teach. Jeremy, you must find a passage that says all men MUST teach by standing up in a church
assembly, and you must find a passage that says one man or even several men MUST NOT do all
or most of a church’s teaching. You have produced neither passage yet.
Trace the history of the gospel at Antioch. Some spoke only to Jews, while others began to teach
Greeks, but nothing indicates these contacts took place in a congregational meeting [Acts
11:19,20]. As soon as conversions occurred the church at Jerusalem sent Barnabas, and he ‘began
to encourage them al’[Acts 11:22,23]. Who can doubt Barnabas did the lion’s share of the
teaching at this time? He was effective and ‘considerable numbers were brought to the Lord’
[verse 24]. Soon he brought Saul into the work and together they met with the church and taught
many people [verse 26]. Later five prophets and teachers were among the brethren at Antioch
[Acts 13:1]. You seem elated that I acknowledge these five teachers as if this supports your
proposition, but it does not. You need to find a passage which required all men in the church at
Antioch to participate as public teachers.
You say that not all who teach are teachers, just as not all who evangelize are evangelists. Tell us
plainly, then, how one becomes a teacher. You acknowledge the truth of 1 Corinthians 12:28-30
and James 3:1, but restrict it to only teachers while insisting that all male members teach in a
church’s public meetings. What must a teaching man do to become a teacher?
How interesting that you cite Titus 2:4 and its call for older women to teach younger women.
Some teaching is preaching, so do we ASSUME these older women were preaching in church
meetings? Based upon the language of the text itself, I ask if not, why not?
The crux of the matter appears to be your determination to have 1 Corinthians 14 be the polar star
for all church meetings. I have shown that the passage does not support your idea of a mutual
MALE ministry shared by all men. Instead the only reciprocal relationship in which mutuality is
seen exists between the prophets; some speak and others listen.
You ask, ‘Does Steve believe that the Holy Spirit inspired men were commanded to share
instruction but inspired men are not commanded to share instruction?’ My answer is a simple yes,
and here’s why. I read where the Holy Spirit commanded these inspired men to speak in twos and
threes, but I find no such command for those men not given spiritual gifts. You must show us the
command for uninspired men to rotate the teaching among them in the same manner required of
those who possessed spiritual gifts. This you have not done.
Your citations of Schaff, Harrison, and Newman do not support your proposition at all. Each
shows preaching and teaching was not exclusive to some clergy, and that conclusion all our
brethren endorse. You are reading your mutual MALE ministry into these quotations. For
example, look at your citation from Newman. He said, ‘To every male member it was permitted
to utter his apprehension of truth’ This is precisely true, and exactly in line with my practice
today. If Newman stood in your corner, he would have said, ‘Every male member was
commanded to utter his apprehension of truth’ so neither he nor the others support your
proposition.
Tell us more about your practice. Describe a typical church meeting. How many men speak, and
for how long? Do all your men speak at each meeting? If not, how is the teaching divided? When
an evangelist is present, does your 1 Corinthians 14 rule still apply? If so, how?
Thanks for the opportunity to examine this proposition with you.
Steve Bobbitt